A response to

But he must be God, he was the heir of God's glory

Al-Kadhi states:

Mr Al-Kadhi begins this section by drawing a conclusiom - his own conclusion. The real point which Mr Al-Kadhi attempts to make is that any denial of his claim in the form in which he presents it must either mean that Jesus isn't God or open the way for him to try and present Biblical quotes which he, no doubt, would claim proved that Christians should believe that Jesus wasn't God.

Mr Al-Kadhi's method is to suggest that "Some members of the Church will then tell us that...".

What should it matter what "Some (unspecified) member of an (unspecified) church should say? If I should claim that I met a Muslim in a village called Bulandshahr in Uttar Pradesh, India who said to me "in Islam we claim....." What weight would that carry with Mr Al-Kadhi? Mr Al-Kadhi does his claims injustice by projecting his conceptions upon a section of people (it could be imaginary people) who no one is given the opportunity to investigate or question. Do they indeed use these scriptures to draw the conclusion he claims?

What all Believers claim is that Jesus is the Messiah of the Hebrew Bible. Let us bear this in mind as we examine Mr Al-Kadhi's statements.

He writes:

Both these verses confirm that (1) Jesus Messiah was the means by which the world was created and (2) that he co-existed with God before the world was. The question of a triune personality of God is a separate subject. Here we are considering the Messiah Jesus and the Father God being one and yet in two personalities.

In the book of Proverbs 8:22-23 we read:

We further read in verse 27

and verses 29-30

Men of God throughout the ages claim that this refers to a personality and, in addition to this understanding, many Jewish Rabbis such as Rashi have also connected this passage with the Creation in Genesis.

They also claim that these verses refer to the one who carries the title of "The angel of the Lord" the personality of God who appeared to Moses in flames of fire within a bush (Exodus 3:2) and from the midst of which God spoke. Also with the Angel of the Lord who appeared to the Israelites in a pillar of Cloud (Exodus 14:19) and the same pillar of cloud which is referred to as "the Lord" in chapter 13:21.

This personality of God has appeared throughout the history of time to convey God's message to mankind. This is also true for today and will hold true for the future. This is Messiah. The Anointed one.

The writer of the book of Hebrews (a Jew) recognised this truth and connected Messiah with the personality of God whom Moses knew and whom he spoke to (Hebrews 11:26). This personality was not the angel Gabriel but he was one with God. The Messiah is one with the eternal God as we read in Isaiah 9:6

Jeremiah writing about the future earthly reign of Messiah in Chapter 23:5-6 says:

So from the Hebrew Scriptures we see that Messiah existed before the creation of the world, that he was the Mastercraftsman at the time of creation and that he is indeed co-equal with God.

The question now is: Will Messiah, once having suffered for the justification of many, be glorified and reign in Glory? The answer from the Hebrew scriptures is yes.

Again from Isaiah 9 we read in verse 7:

God will accomplish what he has promised and has raised up Messiah who will one day be enthroned in Glory to rule over an everlasting Kingdom.

Al-Kadhi writes: "What these clergymen do not bother to tell us is that the Bible also says..."

What Mr Al-Kadhi previously referred to as "Some members of the Church" becomes "these clergymen"! which clergymen? every clergyman? Again Mr Al-Kadhi doesn't give us sufficient information to allow us to investigate them. The suggestion that, in this day and age, one might only have access to the Bible text through the office of a clergyman is rather quaint.

Mr Al-Kadhi quotes: "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together." Romans 8:16-17

Indeed the Believers who comprise the body of Christ will be glorified and reign with Christ in the age to come. Through identifying with, and placing trust in, the atonement made for them through the suffering and resurrection of Christ they will be glorified with Him. This is the promise refered to by the Prophet Isaiah in chapter 53:11-12 when Messiah will share his greatness and glory with the strong:

Mr Al-Kadhi quotes two further verses:

Indeed we do rejoice that through Messiah we have access into the grace wherein we stand and rejoice in the hope and glory of God. Without being sanctified and made holy we cannot enter the presence of the Holy One. What a wonderful gift to have access to the presence of Almighty God. How we hope and pray that many more might gain access to his presence.

Nothing is more wonderful than to have this promise in view that one day we, who are sanctified by the sacrifice of Messiah, will share his glory and know in a far greater way what it is to be in the family of God. God is no longer ashamed of us. He puts his loving arms around us because our sins are washed away and we can now experience his unconditional love as a reality in our daily lives through Jesus Christ. Something we could never do before.

Messiah is indeed God and the heir of God's glory and those who are brought into the new covenant relationship with him through his blood will share in that Glory in the coming age.

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